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Keeping the "noob-sayers" and "Quiters"


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nico
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we have tried something similar before with a 1700+ room, that could only be used by people with a ranking of over 1700. It so happened that that room died within a few months because there were so few people that cared enough to enter the room.
Behaviour is a criterion you can apply after the fact, so people would still spam/curse/quit and be banned after the fact, so that is not much different from a common irc channel.
Also, from the ratings point of view: free online play is often used to playest decks and new ideas, many of them being bad and causing losses to the people playing them. Those people might actually be very good players irl. Making the rating a criterion for entering a certain room, only stimulates netdecking, and not creative thinking.
There will always be netdeckers, but this will only take out the people with ideas.
Also, as someone already pointed out, ratings is not an indication of the personality.

Greetz Nico
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Jorbes



Joined: 14 Feb 2006
Posts: 296
Location: Netherland

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, page 2 already Razz

OK, i kinda get the general thought is.. how to decide who is in and who is out and the thought that some people who should be in, might never get in.

For now the idea goes towards the following:

I'll set up a few rooms on the server.

a room where the skilled players go to play, people who shouldn't need a explanation of the rules.
Going there should ensure you of a "mtg-smart" opponent.
It'll be open for all, for starters, see how that goes.

a room where you can go if you are a beginner, self explanatory.

a fast room...
a room where you can expect fast paced games, just like the skilled room, there will be no guarantee at first, just to see how this plays out

so basically it will be so that any player can go to any room, but we'll set up a nice ban list if players keep joining rooms they have no business being in (by complaints)

obviously all of this is long term plans, maybe someone will come up with a solid system before then.

Till then, keep posting if you have constructive ideas, that doesn't mean replying to say "person X" sucks.

zzz time
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Ffancrzy



Joined: 30 Apr 2006
Posts: 94

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it would be possible to do something similar to what I have heard Ben Bleiweiss talk about that they have on MTGO a casual room and a tourny practice room basically your begginer and expert level rooms. also you could do a lightning room for fast games. I believe that doing this based on rating would not be a good idea because while I may have a poor rating I dont want to play against "sliver/saproling with hivestone.dec" just because my rating isnt 1700+. also I believe the only way to get better or to make a deck (whether a homebrew or a tweek on a netdeck) better is to play against players that actually know what the post-combat main phase is (aka not scrubs).
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kikimikejiki



Joined: 26 Dec 2004
Posts: 649

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i always thought the n word was nigger and in that case ur a racist sir
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aboshan



Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 9

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:04 pm    Post subject: Free the thinkers! Reply with quote

nico wrote:

Also, from the ratings point of view: free online play is often used to playest decks and new ideas, many of them being bad and causing losses to the people playing them. Those people might actually be very good players irl. Making the rating a criterion for entering a certain room, only stimulates netdecking, and not creative thinking.
There will always be netdeckers, but this will only take out the people with ideas.
Also, as someone already pointed out, ratings is not an indication of the personality.


First off, thank you all who are attempting to purify (to some degree) the hostile supremacists of the Magic world. This is something that I and many other players in the league would enjoy seeing. I actually got scared from many play rooms afraid of being cursed out and being called the four-letter-word-that-starts-with-n.

Nico, I have to say that netdecking is a grave bane of the league sometimes...when I first began magic-league, 10 losses in one week (in a row) were not unusual for me, because I wanted to be creative. Many times I actually pity fellow Johnnies such as myself.

My rating(s) isn't/aren't the greatest, but I always take the highest level of sportsmanship I can in a game, and many of our comrades at Magic-league stand for the same. I enjoy talking to the people here who even make criticisms lightly and sometimes even humorous. Never the "I don't have time for dated decks and Noob players".

While these vices will never be uprooted, an effort made to quash them will be greatly lauded by many.
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DrAwesome



Joined: 03 Jul 2005
Posts: 12

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although its a great idea to have room which seprerates the jerks from the respectful players, it won't work if you have the people in direct control. How can you have the system free of jerks, noobs, and sore losers if you alow them to decide who should be alowed in the various rooms?

As an alturnative you could just have rooms set up like the ones on magic online which include: casual, tourny practice and anything goes. Also instead of voting who could be put into rooms you should vote who should be banned. Not directly but be able to report to judges or mods so they can take action.

This is a really good idea in theory but you have to think about how it will work realisticly.
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poopascoopa



Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 69

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure I would trust a program written by someone with spelling as poor as yours is. Sorry.
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thedarkness



Joined: 13 Jul 2006
Posts: 493

PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

poopascoopa wrote:
I'm not sure I would trust a program written by someone with spelling as poor as yours is. Sorry.


Are you referring to nico or Jorbes? Not that it matters, I didn't see any typos in either of their assorted posts, ALTHOUGH Jorbes was drunk as he was typing, if memory servers. o.o;
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marten2



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
Posts: 17

PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2007 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually like the idea of giving players the opportunity to create rooms themselves and to have a main channel in which the tournaments will be held (if this will ever happen). then people should be able to make criteria for the room and to kick people who seem not to cope with thos criteria.

something comparable is done in the channels: Pollo created a room for good limited players to help him and other people going to nats test tpf. In the topic he put criteria, so that people know whether they fit in the room or not.

I would be glad to see something like that in GO, if you have the programming skills/time available for it

I hope that helped
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