R/B Tokens

bagina · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 105

i think u should probably try my decklist, and test yours as well before u claim it sucks. ive won like 8 games in a row with that list.

the coldsteel heart is for mana fixing when i side in magus. with creakwood liege and grave pact i need lots of black mana, and theres no guarantee ill hit 3 of 10 swamps. at the very least if i hit a coldsteel late game i can sac it to a garg. i know its not much but its not an entirely dead draw.

i just kinda threw that list together and started testing and its 8-0. how can u say it sucks? u didnt even playtest it!!!

get ur garb outta here u herbavore.

bagina · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 105

thedarkness u remind me of craze. the time he told me body double has no place in a revblink deck lol

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 493

Why? Because I said Grave Pact doesn't belong in an RB aggro deck with no way to abuse it? Yeah, I'm obviously retarded.

Craze said that because he didn't understand how the infinite combo worked. I understand THIS deck better than you do, and my arguments are supported by people better than either of us.

Also, I'm not a herbivore. I'm an omnivore.

And your list DOES suck.

bagina · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 105

no way to abuse grave pact? so u'd rather sac a non-token creature than a token?

ur right, that would be abusing grave pact lol. so dumb. u should probably delete ur account and format ur HD and never look at a magic card again.

bagina · Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 105

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 493

lol..maybe you should look at your own decklist again. The proportions I listed were the proportions GOOD DECKS USE. Any good list of that deck runs at LEAST 4 1-drops, usually 7-8. You run..3? Good job.

The number of 2-drops is right if you don't include the Coldsteel Hearts, but the Coldsteel Hearts are NOT. And for the record, 11 isn't 8. You run 11 2-drops. 3 of them are useless. Good job.

7 3-drops. Yet more fail. That is 3 too many. There is only one 3-drop that you even want to run, and you're not even running it in your maindeck. Husk is worthless in dedicated Torrent of Souls. So good job again.

13 4-drops. This has me..astounded. You run 13? There are only 3 cards that warrant running in the 4-cc slot AT ALL, and one of them is a SIDEBOARD CARD. How the hell do you pull off 13 4-drops? You only NEED Marsh Flitter, you might WANTED Redcap, and Avalanche Riders, the only other useful 4-drop for this deck..ISN'T IN YOURS. You should have 8.

And finally, 5-drops. 2. Good. Brilliant. You run 2 of the cards that you want to kill your opponent with. You don't even run 2 of the better of the two possible 4-ofs. You run 2 of the less painful one.

Alright, the problems with your deck as they are in reality, as opposed to bagina-land:

You run 3 1-drops. They all have cmc 10, and NEVER come into play on turn 1. This is really effing bad. It doesn't help you deal early damage, and therefore doesn't help you win.

You run 3 Coldsteel Hearts and 8 other 2-drops. You seem confused as to what you want to be doing on turn 2. Do you want to develop your end-game or ramp mana? Apparently you want to do both, but ramp mana less consistently. Unfortunately, the correct answer was "you want to develop your end-game." Pity. That doesn't help you win either.

You run 7 3-drops. That's almost as many 3-drops as 2-drops, and twice as many 2-drops as turn 2 mana acceleration. So do you want to skip your 3-drop or hit it every game? Further confusion. Also, 3 of your 3-drops are really effing bad. Warhammer is a late-game finisher in a deck that doesn't want the opponent to HAVE a late game.

You run 13 4-drops. I am once again agape. If you want to consistently drop one on turn 3, which is the only SANE reason to run so freaking many, RUN MORE TURN 2 MANA ARTIFACTS. Three of them is not nearly enough to draw one by turn 2 with any degree of consistency. 24 lands with no card draw doesn't guarantee 4 lands on turn 4 either, so 2 of every 5 games you'll be sitting on TWO 4-drops and be unable to cast them. Sorry, but that's just stupidity.

You run 2 5-drops. You're never going to draw them by the turn where you want to cast them (which is 5-6 by the way, not 3489057). If you can't hit 5 mana, they're a dead draw, sure. But if you just got Firespouted and you're in topdeck mode, they're also dead. And you're most likely to DRAW them in that second scenario.

So now I feel I must reiterate...

YOUR
DECK
SUCKS.

kaboo · Joined: 17 Aug 2008 Posts: 4

darkness is so fuckin right.
if u want to abuse husk and pact try sth else.
tokens in that deck are used for one special reason.
3xtokens dmg,propably evasive enough to go through,and from a token generator to rebuild creature base.
This is were i disaggre with darkness:commander is great to speed up recovery,as burn or removal may leave u open at turn five without some good cards for advantage.++ magus is good for SB ,as lots of decks return to basic land build ,or maindeck a slaughter pact.

btw husk can work really good with pact ,but NOT with token rate,when u MUST use tokens to get the job done. 5 tokens boosted are a far more threatening than a single creature which is standing there waiting for enough tokens to sac and attack.It is much more predictable.And RBtoken is about surprise.

AndersMM · Joined: 11 May 2008 Posts: 1

Hey im gonna play the token deck the next couple of weeks but i cant decide i i want to play the grave pact or the torrent variant. so i tried to do a deck that involved both the cards, think it will work? please give me a brakedown of the deck.

thanks guys Smile

4 Graven cairns
4 sulfurous springs
2 aunties hovel
1 pendelhaven
1 kheer keep
1 urborg
6 svamp
5 mountain

4 shadow guildmage
4 mogg fanatic
4 bitterblossom
4 mogg warmarshall
4 nantuko husk
4 marsh flitter
4 murderous redcap
2 gravepact
4 torrent of souls
2 loxodon warhammer

sideboard:
4 thoughtseize
4 sudden spoiling
3 farie macabre
3 extirpate
1 gravepact