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FuryMage
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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I think building a legitimate combo deck just around this combo is doomed to failure simply because of the colors it is in.
I see first turn thoughtseize, second turn untapper, third turn quillspike+ rites of consumption (if possible). |
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phereford
Joined: 05 May 2008
Posts: 2
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| Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:52 pm Post subject: Hmm |
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Birds doesnt really seem to fit in the overall plan. As bad as this suggestion sounds, why not run crimson wisps over birds? you can give your quillspike haste to attack for the win if you dont have the rite of consumption.
Other card drawers to help you get there
Coldsnap Baubles. |
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blockmellow
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
Posts: 4
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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// Deck file for Magic Workstation (http://www.magicworkstation.com)
// Lands
4 [EVE] Twilight Mire
4 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
4 [LRW] Gilt-Leaf Palace
6 [LRW] Forest (4)
6 [LRW] Swamp (4)
// Creatures
4 [SHM] Devoted Druid
4 [SHM] Kitchen Finks
4 [EVE] Quillspike
4 [LRW] Elvish Harbinger
// Spells
2 [LRW] Primal Command
3 [SHM] Manamorphose
4 [SHM] Beseech the Queen
4 [SHM] Rite of Consumption
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
3 [SHM] Barkshell Blessing
// Sideboard
SB: 1 [SHM] Barkshell Blessing
SB: 4 [EVE] Soul Snuffers
SB: 3 [SHM] Vexing Shusher
SB: 4 [LRW] Shriekmaw
SB: 3 [SHM] Incremental Blight
this is the block version i tried out horrible vs removal though
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getmatt201
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Posts: 77
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| Posted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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Well if you r trying to just do the combo i have playtested it A LOT and heres what I came up with.
// Lands
4 [TSB] Gemstone Mine
3 [SHM] Fire-Lit Thicket
3 [SHM] Graven Cairns
1 [SHM] Reflecting Pool
2 [10E] Llanowar Wastes
4 [LRW] Vivid Grove
4 [LRW] Mosswort Bridge
// Creatures
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
4 [EVE] Quillspike
4 [SHM] Devoted Druid
// Spells
4 [SHM] Rite of Consumption
4 [FUT] Summoner's Pact
4 [FUT] Pact of Negation
4 [SHM] Beseech the Queen
3 [SHM] Crimson Wisps
4 [TSB] Avoid Fate
4 [LRW] Thoughtseize
Its the deck that was posted first but tweaked a little. The mosswort bridge is a great card for this deck. just put a rite or a pact of negation under it to combo easily. U have enough black to make beeseech the queen useable. I really like the avoid fate. nobody expects it. lol. But like I said in the first post is that it has a lot of trouble with burn. I don't know how u would fix that and what the sb would lok like. |
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ik
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| Daveslusher- wrote: | | No, you respond to the 2nd ability of devoted druid by terroring it. |
then you respond to the terror by using the ability again?... |
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mking555
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Posts: 7
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| ik wrote: | | Daveslusher- wrote: | | No, you respond to the 2nd ability of devoted druid by terroring it. |
then you respond to the terror by using the ability again?... |
Then it dies to stat base effects? ... |
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MnoW
Joined: 20 Jul 2008
Posts: 4
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I got a T2 deck which seems too work quite good. Land base needs a few adjustments, but not a lot. It plays very consistent due too the high number of draw + tutor in the deck. I feel Rite of Consumption can be dropped once, since you can win on beats as well... and 2 Rites in hand is kinda dreadfull.
8 Manlands ruin control decks
6 Main tutor cards, with 2 Primals SB
9 removal cards, 3 of which are mass
5 Lifegain cards, with 2 Primal/1 Finks SB
Draw, disruption and combo included.
Hope this can add something in the discussion
-MnoW
---Lands 23
1 Pendelhaven
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
2 Llanowar Wastes
3 Forest
4 Swamp
4 Twilight Mire
4 Treetop Village
4 Mutavault
---Creatures 13
2 Shriekmaw
3 Kitchen Finks
4 Devoted Druid
4 Quillspike
---Spells 24
2 Unmake
2 Primal Command
2 Terror
3 Rite of Consumption
3 Damnation
4 Thoughtseize
4 Beseech the Queen
4 Harmonize
Sideboard
1 Kithen Finks
2 Primal Command
4 Cloudthresher
4 Guttural Response
4 Vexing Shusher |
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croberts314
Joined: 21 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I was considering a UGB version for block, still working out the kinks though. |
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ik
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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1. tap the druid you have one mana floating
2. attempt to untap the druid with the mana still floating...it now is a 0/1...
3. your opponent responds to the ability by terroring it
4. you respond to terror by using the mana to activate quillspikes ability and make the druid a 0/2 again...then you just combo off... the druid dies from what, now?
silly mking555... |
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Vedrfolner
Joined: 04 Apr 2006
Posts: 1442
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 2:09 am Post subject: |
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| ik wrote: | 1. tap the druid you have one mana floating
2. attempt to untap the druid with the mana still floating...it now is a 0/1...
3. your opponent responds to the ability by terroring it
4. you respond to terror by using the mana to activate quillspikes ability and make the druid a 0/2 again...then you just combo off... the druid dies from what, now?
silly mking555... |
1. Opponent has Druid in play and casts Quillspike
2. In response I cast [insert removal spell here] on Druid.
3. Druid dies and Quillspike enters play.
1. Opponent has Quillspike in play and casts Druid.
2. In response I cast [insert burn/non-terror removal spell here] on Quillspike,
3. Quillspike dies and Druid enters play.
(eventually just kill Druid eot)
Basically, if the opponent has open black, red, blue or white mana and cards in hand, you can't play any of the combo pieces. And if the combo is all you got, he don't have to do anything else but wait for one of the pieces to enter play. Your only option is to play this combo in a regular BG rock deck and just deal with the awkwardness of having 8 cards in it that doesn't do anything useful in most cases (Quillspike and Rite of Consumption).... If he uses his Terror on Tarmogoyf or Cloudthresher, he won't be using it on Druid, and his precious Crib Swap needs to target Chameleon Colossus, not Quillspike.
Edit: if you use cards like Hatchlings and Kitchen Finks in the deck, Quillspike isn't entirely useless. If you play a Hatchling with QS in play (or vice versa), together they constitute real potency - and if you have said Rite at Hideaway, you can easily drain for 10-13 dmg as well as attack with a 6/6 and a 13/13+ (if they survive a turn). Having an "immortal" Kitchen Finks in play is also quite powerful. |
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ik
Joined: 11 Sep 2007
Posts: 79
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Vedrfolner wrote: | | ik wrote: | 1. tap the druid you have one mana floating
2. attempt to untap the druid with the mana still floating...it now is a 0/1...
3. your opponent responds to the ability by terroring it
4. you respond to terror by using the mana to activate quillspikes ability and make the druid a 0/2 again...then you just combo off... the druid dies from what, now?
silly mking555... |
1. Opponent has Druid in play and casts Quillspike
2. In response I cast [insert removal spell here] on Druid.
3. Druid dies and Quillspike enters play.
1. Opponent has Quillspike in play and casts Druid.
2. In response I cast [insert burn/non-terror removal spell here] on Quillspike,
3. Quillspike dies and Druid enters play.
(eventually just kill Druid eot)
Basically, if the opponent has open black, red, blue or white mana and cards in hand, you can't play any of the combo pieces. And if the combo is all you got, he don't have to do anything else but wait for one of the pieces to enter play. Your only option is to play this combo in a regular BG rock deck and just deal with the awkwardness of having 8 cards in it that doesn't do anything useful in most cases (Quillspike and Rite of Consumption).... If he uses his Terror on Tarmogoyf or Cloudthresher, he won't be using it on Druid, and his precious Crib Swap needs to target Chameleon Colossus, not Quillspike.
Edit: if you use cards like Hatchlings and Kitchen Finks in the deck, Quillspike isn't entirely useless. If you play a Hatchling with QS in play (or vice versa), together they constitute real potency - and if you have said Rite at Hideaway, you can easily drain for 10-13 dmg as well as attack with a 6/6 and a 13/13+ (if they survive a turn). Having an "immortal" Kitchen Finks in play is also quite powerful. |
This is true... but i never said it didnt die in these situations... i was talking about the point someone brought up about terror in response to the 2nd ability of the druid... I understand that the combo can be stopped by a good player... |
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Shirone
Joined: 18 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:07 am Post subject: |
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4 Thoughtseize
4 Telling Time
4 Lotus Bloom
4 Beseech the Queen
4 Ponder
4 Quillspike
4 Devoted Druid
4 Rite of Consumption
4 Crimson Wisps
4 Summoner's Pact
4 Llanowar Wastes
3 Sunken Ruins
4 Gemstone Mine
1 Twilight Mire
4 Underground River
4 Sulfurous Springs
1st turn: thoughtseize or ponder
2nd turn: druid
3rd turn: quillspike and rite of consumption or crimson wisps
1st turn: ponder or thoughtseize and lotus bloom
2nd turn: telling time
3rd turn: beseech the queen or druid
4 turn: seven mana available, use summoner's pact to get what you need if you still miss something, easy kill even if you didnt play druid on third turn just use wisps |
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kaboo
Joined: 17 Aug 2008
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| Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 8:40 am Post subject: |
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i am using this deck for a while.
i can't c the turn two kill.
it has heavy problem against burn.
Try mercy killing in it.It is really help full ,and two copies of flourishing defenses for late game.
Manamorphose is a uslees cantrip.
combo deck need to harass opponents.Snake form is much better and thoughtsize is must have. |
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