reviellark, gargadon & sower of temptation walk into a b

Nerb · Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Posts: 1

I have a suspended gargadon. I use sower to steal my opp's reviellark. Suppose I have no creatures in my graveyard, and my opp decides to shock my sower. Is there a way that I can sac the sower and the reveillark, so that I get the sower back?

If i sac the sower first, does the rev changing controllers get stacked so that i can respond by saccing it? If I sac the rev first, don't i have to choose a target for its ability before i can sac the sower?

Jon_Ma · Joined: 29 Apr 2006 Posts: 17

It doesn't matter, because Reveilark will only return your opponent's creatures to play. Because it's being put into it's owner's graveyard, the owner will control the triggered ability, since the ability triggers from the graveyard when it is no longer yours.

Alvaro21k · Joined: 28 Dec 2004 Posts: 38

Actually, the controller of reveillark gets the ability, not the owner, and, I think you can sac the sower, and responding to her trigger, sac the reveillark.

jared · Joined: 14 Jul 2006 Posts: 50

guy above me is right with the controller. You can sac rev and put its ability on the stack and then sac sower. It'll go to the grave and and rev will trigger. Then proceed to dominate opponent.

ant900 · Joined: 11 Oct 2004 Posts: 2486 Location: somewhere

SoggyToast · Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1

Jared and FantasyGamer are both wrong.

Sower has only one ability. This trigger steals a creature when it resolves, and the effect last for the duration of time that Sower is in play. There is NO TRIGGER when Sower leaves play.

If you sac Sower first, your opponent will get his Reveillark back before you get priority again.

If you sac Reveillark first, you must choose your targets before you have the opportunity to get Sower to the graveyard.

So the answer is that there is no way to get Sower back with Reveillark.

Hardtrack · Joined: 10 Aug 2005 Posts: 346

SoggyToast is correct. Sower has one triggered ability with a duration. The end of the control effect is not a triggered ability and does not go on the stack. It happens immediately and you can't respond to it.

If you sacrifice Reveillark, you get to return two creatures, but there is no way to get the Sower back. Either you sac the Sower and lose the Reveillark or you sac the Reveillark, returning nothing and then sac or lose the Sower.

Eldar · Joined: 27 Nov 2006 Posts: 361 Location: Rochester

Clearly you people need to learn how the stack works.

Reveillark reads like this:
When Reveillark leaves play, return up to two target creature cards with power 2 or less from your graveyard to play.
I hate to break it to you but this is a triggered ability which does use the stack.

All you have to do to get sower back is this.

Sacrifice reveillark to greater gargadon in response to the shock. Reveillark leaves play and you put its leaves play trigger on the stack. You then sacrifice sower of temptation to gargadon. Reveillark is in the graveyard and can no longer be given back. Proceed to resolve reveillarks trigger. Bring back sower of temptation and something else. Plain and simple.

rdeg87 · Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 200

Eldar you should know better than that,

Dont question Hardtrack on rules, he is the man.
Im sure he'll explain soon enough why you are so wrong

ElectricS · Joined: 25 Oct 2006 Posts: 10

I'll explain why....when you put the reviellark's trigger on the stack, you have to choose its target's immediately. As per your explanation above, that means that sower will not be in the graveyard, and you will not be able to target it.

thedarkness · Joined: 13 Jul 2006 Posts: 493

I think Eldariel just missed the fact that Reveillark's ability targets.

TugaChampion · Joined: 26 Jan 2006 Posts: 419

Yeah that's why Eldar's explanation is wrong. However it's still a good trade: you lose Sower but your opp loses Reveillark, doesn't get any creatures he might have in the graveyard and he also loses shock. And after this your Gargadon has 2 less counters on it.

MaksymG · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 174

sower of temptation+gargadon in the same deck?

Daveslusher · Joined: 05 Nov 2006 Posts: 202

LoneWulf · Joined: 02 Sep 2004 Posts: 162