Can help me with counter efreet?

terekjet · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 15

Well first of all this is a deck that i have since like 6 years, and i modificate over and over making it really fun to play,i just like frenetics ^^ theyre lot of fun

But I stopped to play for 2 years and when i return, what i see... wow the game hanged a lot and my deck isnt as good as it was, i was wondering if u could hel me a little to improve this deck:

-----lands--------
4 volcanic island
4 plateau
4 tundra
2 mountains
2 islands
2 plains
4 city of brass 22 lands

-----creatures-----
4 frenetic efreet
2 rainbow efreet
2 windreaver

------artifacts-----
2 isochron scepter
2 sword of fire and ice

-------spells-------

4 counterspell
2 force of will
4 arcane denial
4 fact or fiction

4 lighning bolt
2 sudden shock
4 fire/ice
2 disenchant
3 orim´s chant
3 wrath of god and it makes 60

snoopster · Joined: 04 Dec 2004 Posts: 740 Location: nj

i'd do -2 sword of fire and ice (you don't have many creatures), +2 scepter

and i'd take out some basic lands for fetch lands like flooded strand

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 977

I played the same deck over and over. The is best known as Counter-Burn. Though your version has the stick so it could be a version of No-Stick.

Anyway, I feel like you are missing some of the better spells that you could play. The Sudden Shock should be Prophitic Bolt or that white instant that makes the two 1/1 tokens.

Remand is a lot better then Arcane Denial, 4 Force of Will is a must. Some number of main deck Stifle or Trickbind will keep you from scooping in game one vs combo decks. Disenchant could be moved to the sideboard though, main deck Disenchant could be very strong in some local metagames.

Windrever should be Teferi, for the stick lock.

Keldjoran Outpost, or Faerie Conclave needs to be in there. Also Reflecting Pool is better in the long game over City of Brass.

Spyx · Joined: 31 Oct 2004 Posts: 888

4 tundra
4 Flooded Strand
3 Polluted Delta
10 islands
2 plains

-----creatures-----
1 Morphling
2 Meloku, the Clouded Mirror
3 Teferi

------artifacts-----
4 isochron scepter
3 Sensei's Divining Top

-------spells-------

4 counterspell
4 force of will
4 Counterbalance
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Brainstorm
4 orim´s chant

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 977

This is the list that I would sugest. I have already posted the theory.

4 x Tundra
4 x Volcanic island
4 x Plateau
4 x Reflecting Pool
4 x Flooded Strand
2 x Plains
2 x Kjeldoran Outpost

4 x Frenetic Efreet
2 x Rainbow Efreet
2 x Teferi, Mage of Zalfir

4 x Isochron Scepter
4 x Counterspell
4 x Force Of Will
4 x Ancestral Vision
4 x Lighning Bolt
3 x Fire//Ice
3 x Orim's Chant
2 x Pyroclasm

Sideboard
SB: 4 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 3 Trickbind
SB: 3 Morningtide
SB: 3 Wrath of God
SB: 2 Nevnyrall's Disk

Swords is for the Tinker combos and Teeg. Trickbind for storm combos. Morningtide for graveyard combos. Wrath for aggro/zoo. Disk is kind of a free slot and may need to be Exalted Angel just for the life gain in the aggro/burn matches.

*Edited

I forgot to add how sick Ancestral Vision is on a stick. Would you pay 2 to draw 3 in Legacy? Yeah I would also.

Don't post after drinking! Stick and Vision does not work.

Azania · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 52

I would the following:

-3 fire/ice
+3 Lightning Helix

-1 ancestrall vision
-x other stuff

+2 cunning wish
+3 swords to plowshares

sb:

+1 orim's chant
+1 lightning helix
+1 disenchant
-2 disk
and some more wish targets, you could also add Meddling Mage to the side board for more control..

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 977

Wow how did I miss Lightning Helix? That's def a great stick target but it does nothing to stop Darksteel or 'Nuaght. That's why I would stay with Fire//Ice. I would have to say that Lightning Helix could take over the Pyroclasm slot in the main if you do not see Goblins in your meta.

terekjet · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 15

Ok, lets see the second version, please keep helping me, ur knowledge is very apreciatted Very Happy

-----lands--------
4 volcanic island
4 plateau
4 tundra
2 mountains
2 islands
1 plains
1 Kjeldoran outpost
4 city of brass 22 lands

-----creatures-----
4 frenetic efreet
2 rainbow efreet
2 windreaver/teferi

------artifacts-----
4 isochron scepter

-------spells-------

4 counterspell
2 force of will
4 mana leak
2 fact or fiction
1 acumulated knowledge
1 inspired tutor

4 lightning bolt
4 lightning helix
4 fire/ice
3 orim´s chant
3 wrath of god

i dont know if add swors to plowsares, omg what to take out?
and im thinking on morphling instead of rainbows... idk

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 977

I would play 4 AK or none. Fact or Fiction is nuts. Bothe are very good but, I think with your lower mana count AK could be better. I am sure that everyone would agree that 4 Force of Will is a must. Do you have a sideboard? What is your local meta like?

terekjet · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 15

Well, as i have been disconected of magic, i dont know the new metagames, and the sideboard is under construction.
The deck is principally for casual, idont discard to go to some tournament ...
The decks i use to face are r/g beatdown (with looooots of ascetic trolls, omg i hate this guy) troll + jitte is almost dead. I face some the rock too, and theres angelgeddon, white weenies ...

Azania · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 52

As it came with my suggestion I said to add some Cunning Wish, part of the wishboard is not entirely metagame based..

Look at it from this way, you add 2 cunning wish main board, 1 orim's chant, 1 lightning helix, 1 enlightened tutor, 1 swords to plowshare. This way the 2 cunning wish could both be the extra lightning helix, which makes it 5x lightning helix you run and thus a higher chance of getting it, 2 wishes + 3 lightning helix you already had.

Also I would do the following:

- 1 tundra
- 4 plateau
- 1 volcanic island
+4 flooded strand
+2 polluted delta

the reason is simple, fetch lands thins your deck which means you increase the chance of getting a spell rather then a land. Also since both fetch lands search for islands and all your duels *hence I took out the only non blue duel* are an island you can always fix your mana if you need that extra white or red mana.

edit:

- 4 city of brass
- 1 mountain
+ 3 chrome mox
+ 2 ancient tomb

the city of brass is not great and the chrome mox and ancient tomb allows you get quickly mana in the first few turns of the game..

R3wind · Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Posts: 977

Yeah and having a Wishboard is counterintuative to putting spells on a stick.

bedlam · Joined: 30 Sep 2006 Posts: 39

If troll is messing up your day you might want to look at a couple pithing needles in your sb. They are one of the more versitle sb options, shutting down many problem cards for you.

terekjet · Joined: 09 Sep 2008 Posts: 15

hey thanks a lot to all who is helping here!

i like the idea of cunning wish, i didnt knew the existance of that amazing card,

i didnt added the fetch lands because i never played them, and was a lil scared about it, but the idea sounds good, the moxes could be reall interesting too, althought the problem is that i dnt have them ^^

What does the city of traitors? is the land that gives u 2 colorless?

Edit: if i play a scepter imprimpting orims chant, can i play the card with kicker every time that i use the scepter?

Azania · Joined: 13 Aug 2008 Posts: 52

yes but besides the 2 mana needed for the scepter you will need that extra white mana for the kicker cost.

and the best would be to make sure the opponent does not have any creatures so you can save mana