Standard (T2) Deck lists: RDW, Kithkin WW, UB Faeries

by Eldariel on 2008-08-16 19:52 MST

This goes to prove beyond all doubt that it is indeed possible to lose to RDW with Kithkin. Also, Spirit Procession - what the heck happened to that name?

by MistyFatDog on 2008-08-16 20:36 MST

.............................. HUSAPI SHOULD BE BANNED

by cmc on 2008-08-16 21:23 MST

Husapi > sulfur elemental > block kithkins > t2 trial > magic-league

by MistyFatDog on 2008-08-16 21:27 MST

cmc should be banned too, unless Husapi is cmc in desguise ...

by thedarkness on 2008-08-16 22:10 MST

Why?

by ChiDoRiE on 2008-08-16 22:50 MST

lol @ block deck raping

by wyvernmonarc on 2008-08-16 23:12 MST

was the finals actually played out.... kithkin lost to mono red with 4 maindeck forgetenders..

by gypsy on 2008-08-16 23:39 MST

forge tender doesnt do much vs sulfur elemental

by Shagrath on 2008-08-17 03:14 MST

Magic world is in terrible shape when a red deck dominates

by LordLink on 2008-08-17 05:43 MST

Good to know it was the overall winner I lost to round 1. So much RDW-hate maindeck and still got steamrolled by Husapi.

It's always amusing when a Block deck dominates a T2 tourney. Doesn't speak well of magic-league though.

Also nice to see that 3rd is the best faeries have managed to do in ages.

by Art on 2008-08-17 06:11 MST

husapi aaa

by mephidroFR on 2008-08-17 06:15 MST

I took this WW deck because I hadn't any T2 deck when I saw the trial forming.

I won 2 MonoR / 2 GW Elf/Shaman ( and vs BYE )

The deck is pretty good, but the sideboard really needs some Standard cards.

I lost to Husapi because of 2 Blood Knight / Sulfur Elemental during game2.

MephidroFR

by RaiSalcedo on 2008-08-17 06:57 MST

just by looking at the decklists, it's no wonder why RDW wins... it has those power cards...just for 1 card...

by ZW on 2008-08-17 08:04 MST

Why didn't mephidro play mutavault? lol

by nightscare on 2008-08-17 08:30 MST

MOar spirit prosession!

by Orlandu on 2008-08-17 08:38 MST

Er because mutavault is far from an autoinclude in Kithkin? You've got 8 guys that cost WW, Spectral Procession that costs WWW, Unmake that costs WWW, mirrowweave that's 2WW, not to mention windbrisk heights.. it's a gamble to run the mutavaults for sure.

by ZW on 2008-08-17 08:58 MST

Yea def orlandu which is why almost every kithkin deck in block, which plays all these cards, plays atleast 2 mutavault, usually more. U - fail.

by gypsy on 2008-08-17 09:39 MST

zw i love how you always trash talk everyone yet never top 4 anything

by ZW on 2008-08-17 10:42 MST

I have played in 12 trials, 3 of which are legacy. I got 3rd in one of the legacy ones, and in the others failed second round due to being a sup-par eternal player. I have not played a trial for about 4 weeks, besides the one about a week ago where I dropped after round one. Also, my first 5 standard trials where right after I got back into the game, and did poorly at them. Also, I have top4d real life things, I don't often play on magic-league. Additonally, I've been banned from the channel for a few weeks and have been unable to talk in there so whenever I go on m-l, I talk about the decks. Lastly, my rating here is higher than yours.

by Ashmatan on 2008-08-17 10:57 MST

ZW is 14 years old

by trueeevil on 2008-08-17 11:05 MST

GO HUSAPI.

by ZW on 2008-08-17 11:12 MST

Also gypsy, I just looked, your best finish was a top8 at a master, where you went 3-2-1, only top 8ing because you won a vintage trial. Your other tournies have not been good. So please think before you try and insult me, or atleast do some research.

by curly on 2008-08-17 11:35 MST

now ZW and gypsy calm down, i mean lets looka t the real problem husapi wona freaking trial!
also FYI magic-league rating means shit all/

by ZW on 2008-08-17 11:41 MST

I know, but he was also attacking my m-l results.

by Husapi on 2008-08-17 12:06 MST

one more than you at least

curly

by cmc on 2008-08-17 12:47 MST

Husapi also won a sealed trial not long ago :D

by center on 2008-08-17 13:42 MST

Yeah its not like a kithkin deck 6-1 a standard portion at US nats or anything

by ZW on 2008-08-17 14:44 MST

...and those kithkin decks did have mutavaults.

by DrHealex on 2008-08-17 15:22 MST

Mutavaults are good in kithkin if you are feeling lucky, you just need to hit your first 3 land drops as white sources and mutavaults become good. If you don't however....

Truth be told, mutavaults cause a kithkin deck to lose more often than not.

by Orlandu on 2008-08-17 15:22 MST

Kithkin decks do not USUALLY run mutavaults. Are there examples that do? Sure. But it's a strain on the manabase that just isn't necessary to win. Do you want me to pull examples off top 8 lists or can you do the research yourself?

by Husapi on 2008-08-17 15:50 MST

drhealex you rly need 26 white mana generators then?

by Orlandu on 2008-08-17 16:18 MST

You might not need 26 but you have 8 lands that come into play tapped, and you're going to ad another 2-4 colorless to that? No way you're consistently going to hit WW and WWW.

by Orlandu on 2008-08-17 16:23 MST

Not to mention the fact that you now have figure of destiny which is white mana hungry. So.. you really want to not be able to turn him into an 8/8 because you've got a land that becomes a 2/2? Nice.

by Husapi on 2008-08-17 16:35 MST

8 tapped lands? you have 16 - 20 kithkins to show for clachan! and if you rly want to play spectral procession and you have windbrisk on hand you might want to drop windbrisk before

by cm_ on 2008-08-17 16:41 MST

Clariax is Husapi.

by Husapi on 2008-08-17 16:43 MST

24 white mana generators should be enough if you want it 8/8

by ZW on 2008-08-17 18:21 MST

by Orlandu on 2008-08-17 17:22 EDT

Kithkin decks do not USUALLY run mutavaults. Are there examples that do? Sure. But it's a strain on the manabase that just isn't necessary to win. Do you want me to pull examples off top 8 lists or can you do the research yourself? Truth be told, mutavaults cause a kithkin deck to lose more often than not.

Please get me top 8 results. Husapi is right. You might as well play atleast 2 mutavaults or just play 24 lands. The deck has 26 lands to support vault. And in a 24 white source deck you should always hit turn 3 procession, you have no idea what you're saying orlandu. Also clachan ALWAYS comes in untapped when you need it, especially with 12 one drop kithkins. The good kithkin decks at nationals had vault and I would say 99% of top 8 block kithkins had 2-4 vault, with the one t4ing the gp having 4(YES THAT MEANS FOOOOOOOUUUUUUURRRR) vaults. Mutavault in kithkins has probably won me 50% of my games versus control, to be honest. It is the best card in the deck versus a deck with board sweepers. It has maybe lost me one or two games, and I play 4 in my deck, so there is no reason to only play 2. And I'm pretty sure you have never seen a kithkin list outside of this one, as this one is incredibly UNUSUAL for not using mutavault, as 99% of them do. Your post is completely wrong. And you rarely make figure an 8/8.

by ZW on 2008-08-17 18:22 MST

Oh and doctor helix, you are also incredibly wrong. Mutavault has won me, as I said, about 50% of my games versus control. They do not hurt the deck nearly as much as they help it. With mutavault you have 24 or 22 white sources. So what you're saying is that in a 22 or 24 land deck you miss your 3rd land drop more often than not??? That's crazy to say. Lets also remove all gougers from RDW because we might not get it t3 with only 24 red sources!!!

by is_adonis_cl on 2008-08-17 18:56 MST

magus scroll > mogg fanatic.

by is_adonis_cl on 2008-08-17 19:00 MST

and will ricochet is nesesary ?
against using it?

by Weedmonkey on 2008-08-17 19:00 MST

The fact that so many randoms are winning trials lately makes me a sad panda :(

by ZW on 2008-08-17 19:05 MST

Weed!!! Return to irc perhaps?

by cmc on 2008-08-17 19:17 MST

Husapi is not a random D:

by theMamba on 2008-08-17 19:43 MST

get off his nuts cmc=/

by ZW on 2008-08-17 19:44 MST

yea get on my nuts

by Player_CHN on 2008-08-17 21:33 MST

i am behind of you husapi

by six on 2008-08-18 00:24 MST

i am behind of you husapi

by OITDamion on 2008-08-18 05:01 MST

i am behind of you husapi

by Dracon_ian on 2008-08-18 06:01 MST

It's sligh, not RDW.

RDW is burn, sligh is creature.

by Vimes on 2008-08-18 06:59 MST

Sligh also has a much lower mana curve than this red deck does. You see those 8 3 drops and 4 5 drops?

Just call it Red Deck Wins like I do. :P

by Husapi on 2008-08-18 08:38 MST

adonis

1. mogg fanatic is better

2. ricochet sux

by Kenseiden on 2008-08-18 08:51 MST

I have no problem seeing a 'random' guy winning.
My problem is to see a bad list winning.

cheers.

by Lynolf on 2008-08-18 09:39 MST

Is this the "Worldwide Insult Day"? How the hell did I miss it? Oh well, guess its my turn to insult someone then:

You all look like a bunch of kids fighting to see who is right and who isn't. Its just a free online game, people. Grow up!

by Brodie on 2008-08-18 10:41 MST

They do this every trial. If it's on m-l, every list is bad if it top3/4s.

Magic is all most of these "people" have for lives and when they aren't smart enough to understand the game, it upsets them to the point they grow hysterical and out of control.

Post-trial/master comments is their substitute for therapy.

Speak to women.

by Circa on 2008-08-18 16:29 MST

You're a towel...

by DOminarian on 2008-08-18 23:21 MST

please someone explain the moggs isntead of maguses
becuase maguses are so good late game...explain please husapi

by login on 2008-08-27 06:56 MST

totaly cool dude